| | 留言人: Tat
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 10:02:00 PM
其實培聖仔都係在打打鬧鬧中成長，少少意見不合，傷不到感情的。可能我都要參加番校友會啲活動。
不過Hendrick仔，第曰出嚟社會做事就千祈唔好用你呢招啦。只有俾人打柴，冇人會俾機會你㗎。
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留言人: 冇腦
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 10:01:00 PM
喂!大頭我係你既FANS叫冇腦.你真係好勇敢去挑戰(禮,義,兼,恥)的四大原則反其道而行.絕!勁!
阿!究竟你奉獻咗幾多寶貴時間及金錢嚟睇SHOW.你揾好多錢嘅?你屋企好有錢嘅?
你係咪睇慣紅館貴價飛的古巨基,陳亦迅甚至天馬懢WILD DAY OUT 2005 ROCK BAND SHOW一時間唔適應啊?呢間鄉下學校好窮,佢哋請唔起架!
最後你話下年唔嚟都好,呢度唔襯你!佢地高攀唔起.
你既FANS叫冇腦上
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留言人: 陸國康
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 5:33:00 PM
這幾晚沒睡得好的人多的是，吳偉聰、李潤強、黎俊光、馮錦禮，還有Hendrick，從「一個冇受尊重的校友」，到「一個受到關注的校友」，也意味著事件有個大團圓結局，相信這也是大多數校友所期盼的，我沒有參與這個活動，也沒有在事件中發表過任何意見，但四十多篇文章，每一字、每一句，也不祇看了一遍，也和馮錦禮一般感受，點滴在心頭，雖然大家在不同時空成長，但我們卻來自同一個根，與師兄弟們或素未謀面，但衹要說起培聖，就有共同話題，九九聚會以至全球同賀校慶，都是大家努力的成果，正如Hendrick同學所說，我們還有戲要唱下去，那就要大家同心去唱，然而這台戲退雖然大團圓結局，但相信還有點餘波，就像我一樣，為這完美的結局在此鼓掌喝采。
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留言人: Ng Wai Chung 吳偉聰
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 4:20:00 PM
致：Hendrick
你這些善意的，正面的和客氣的文章，才是正確。孺子可教也！我很擔心，因為你的小風波，差一些令該晚會，被定性為失敗之作。本人三晚都失眠了！今晚，真要好好的睡覺。最后，本人是性情中人，沒有隔夜仇。以前，鍾Sir教我，《明德至善仁》五字之中，唯獨是《仁》為最好。因為，仁�芚L歒！本人都努力中，希望有一天，能達至仁�耵犒珙氶C善哉！
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留言人: 一個受到關注的校友
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 3:07:00 PM
TO所有關心培聖的校在
首先在這裡多謝所有看過留言和發表見的所有朋友,沒有你們的回應我這台戲也唱不下去.而我也相信這台戲也到了曲終人散的時候.但大家則不愁寂寞,因為學校發展的這台戲還需要大家支持,一同唱下去.
我相信主辨單位經今次籌辦音樂會後已吸取了經驗,為學校日後籌辦其它大型活動作更好的準備.雖然主辨單位在今次籌辦音樂中尚有未完善之處,但很開心看見不少有心人無條件地為學校籌款出錢出力,以及在事後關注籌款活動的朋友.
另外,我也想為我的出言不遜例如<垃圾音樂會>等字眼表示歉意,本人實在無意貶低主辨單位及各界的努力.只是為了更容易引起廣泛關注而出此下策.而我也相信籌款活動已引起廣泛和正面的回應.
在培聖快樂的時光中,一般師友會叫我Hendrick
新年將致,在這裡預祝各位新年進步,身體健康.
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留言人: 佘耀庭
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 9:26:00 AM
Yes, we were in the same class.
My email address is hubertshea@hwpg.com. Can you let me have your email address?
I am used to base in Shanghai and other cities in China.
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留言人: 山河
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 8:05:00 AM
色即是空,空即是色,受想行識,亦復如是.
止惡行善,慈悲平等,慧觀緣起,無常無我.
請靜思已過.
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留言人: Big Nose - 1977
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 6:10:00 AM
To 一個受到關注的校友,
Obviously, you still don't get it ... and I am begining to believe that you probably will never get it ... may be we simply live in a different world...
Others might be more kind than me and I have been as kind as I can ever be to someone with your attitude ... Hacken Li and Eason Chan are today's top artists; they can be as ridiculous as you have been but they don't ... you simply do not understand your position and perhaps have over estimated your welcome...
Others have been reasonable and more than polite to you ... but I see you are dissing everyone and you are nothing but acting like a ridiculous child. Now that Chairman Leung has responded to you; I can not believe you could still go on and on ...
Okay, you might have done it before, and you might have done such event so much better ... someone messed you on the 24th ... so what more do you want? Open your eyes, it happens everyday and everywhere...I am not suggesting it is right but it is a fact, a reality. I am not suggesting you should accept but to change your tact ... plat the game smarter not harder...carrying on the way you have been, my bet is you will likely to remain a loser for the rest of your life ... frankly, I simply would fire you if you work for me and I would not work with someone with such attitude. As much as you keep telling everyone how good you are and having organized some events previously (and you might be right), you have to learn to be a team player, not every show is your show. Learn to respect others a little more; even if others might not be as good as you are; you just don't come back and rubbish the host and organizers...
I am sure you are older than my 17 years old son but I see my son is more mature. Review your attitude, realise your weakness and find a way to be a better person. If you cannot accept views from others, you should understand why others might not appreciate your points.
You may be successful in other circles but right here, you are just a soured loser. You choose and control your own destiny, as an older Pui Shing boy, I have done all I can for you and I wish you luck...
I believe we have said enough on the matter, no reply is necessary.
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留言人: Tat
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 1:24:00 AM
嘩! 你仲嚟，我真係服咗你，唔通真係"少年不識愁知味,為賦新詞強說愁"。
如果你把這股精神發揮，我真係信你有威過鄧建明的一天。荀子曰:”鍥而舍之，朽木不折，鍥而不舍，金石可鏤。” 謹記”將相本無維種，男兒當自強”，希望有培聖以你為榮的一天，而不是你再呼天搶地。千萬不要被Big Nose, 大頭以及阿Tat䏲死啊！。千里之行，始於足下，一定要努力及爭氣。
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留言人: 一個受到關注的校友
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/30/2005 12:40:00 AM
TO BIG NOSE
作為我的師兄,我不認為你是一個好榜樣,出了亂子,連你自己也認,但是你一句” even if it was messed up, let it go ... rightly or wrongly,”顯然你完全冇反省錯誤的心”
而我覺得你是最冇資格叫我STOPPING BLAMING 因為你是已得利益者,24/12 晚在台上嚴重超時because of 吹水,便是你們這班師兄,想想也覺你們枉為攪手
另外, 就”organize an event yourself and take charge ... divert your energy to contribute to making a more successful” “Why don't you put words into real action”而言,我再重申一次, 在過去兩年我曾為學校舉辦了兩次帥生同獻藝音樂會,我隊band 便是主要表演者,反應也十分良好.而且該活動是完全由我發起,完成冇學生會和校友會的幫助,以及我不單是表演者,更是活動負責和策劃人.
因此我的能力和貢獻一早便證明了,最起碼不會出現權責不清,朝令夕改,組織混亂,嚴重超時,等情況出現.
就”I saw top artists [before they becaome top artists] being treated worse than what you have been treated on the night ... it was horrible”而言,雖然不合理和不公平的情況十分常見,但我們便能把這些種種看作”正常化”看待嗎? 在過去兩次我攪帥生同獻藝音樂會中我也抱住”一個也不能少”的SPIRITY,把任務完成,務求所有表演者including all students and teachers也可出場.不要有負校方,特別是Mr Poon 全權交給我負責的信任.
我認為自己唯一的失職是其中有一位同學因為受到大部份players 反對和不肯played her song .她被迫冇得玩.當然我對她的道歉和解釋是少不了的.
因此,我覺得主辦單位缺少了一些應有的特質,慶幸我能在培聖遇到一些老師e.g 潘永強老師看到’以一人/學生為本”的SPIRIT
To 大頭
我不是一個唱曬,獨唱只佔3首,其它我主要幫手playing guitar
我隊band 還有師生合唱< 預先PLAN 好,即有老師答應玩>,及即興invite 現場audience有趣的可以上台唱和我隊band成員李強更 準備了他的 改編Rock 版校歌一同唱.,其他team member solo or 合唱, 及即興invite師兄唱等等……….
TO 梁嘉明
其實係攪手李潤強話我聽Peggy是校友會主席.唉……我也不知你們那個真.你們D高層的溝通認真唉………….不說了……… 你們叫我Stopping blaming 嗎.
講開溝通,在該次音樂會中,我覺得old and new 校友會間互相不知對方做甚麼唉……..
致於你話”前瞻明年音樂會必須更多人力、物力和時間來籌備。而校友會幹事會正需閣下如此人才加入參與”
我認為應由校方统籌,達致權責合一
不像今年由校友會和學生會合辦,的”責重權輕”or “權責不清”
就當我年少輕狂,我更喜由校方统籌,由我全權負責.由我分工, 策劃,監督.
以免像今次分工不清, 策劃失當,沒有監督
Or 直接去社區中心玩,唔史煩.
當然,必要時我也樂意放下成見,為學校出一分錦力.
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留言人: 陳國強 (76-81)
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/29/2005 6:19:00 PM
佘耀庭
你是否81年五德那位?
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留言人: 佘耀庭
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/29/2005 6:06:00 PM
Totally concur with your view.
Please stop blaming and what we have to attempt is to do something more gorgeous for our upcoming event in the near future.
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留言人: 薯仔誠
主題: re:音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/29/2005 4:59:00 PM
人在做，天在看。大家都是本著為母校出力，不用太介懷。總結了經驗，下次一定辦得更好。希望大家不要為此而洩氣。
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留言人: 校友會梁嘉明
主題: 音樂會舒怨氣、提意見完結篇
留言日期: 12/29/2005 4:01:00 PM
致：一個沒有被尊重的校友
怨氣不吐不快，吐了便暢快！更令網上留言又再熱鬧起來，先謝過“不被尊重之校友”！
今次音樂會是校友會與學生會首度合作，更是首次在母校禮堂舉行；多方面均有所不足！謹此見諒！籌備上本人因俗務纏身，未能參與(因工作忙至數週通宵)，人力極不足，本人不能不要負上部分責任。閣下所有善意批評，代表本會先行謝過！定當於往後同樣音樂會作為警惕。於回顧檢討後，前瞻明年音樂會必須更多人力、物力和時間來籌備。而校友會幹事會正需閣下如此人才加入參與！歡迎請來電9216 8584與本人聯絡暢談！
再者！Peggy並非新校校友會主席，因培聖中學根本祇得一間，並無新校、舊校之分；祇所設地址有所遷移而已。而校友會亦然！祇得一個，無新舊之分。她是本會勵進部部長，專注聯絡天水圍畢業校友，其部門成員見「組織」一欄。
籍此機會多謝曾為籌辦今次音樂會出錢出力之各位仁兄、仁妹、被尊重或未被尊重者！明年見！
校友會梁嘉明
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留言人: Tat
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 3:23:00 PM
I have to add one more sentence: 千里之行,始於足下. We can do a lot better. Let's do it.
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留言人: 過路人
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 3:19:00 PM
給：一個冇受尊重的校友
喂！唔該你第一封信打中文啦，培聖仔，英文真係麻麻地，鬼有心機睇呀！
嘩，講到培聖校方領導七國咁亂，好似建華七年，睇見都好恐怖，出咗事，又無人負責，一句算數喇，就蓋棺論定，小農社會呀！
呢件事，影響學校聲譽，係咪應該有個代表出來解畫好 D 噃！
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留言人: 山河
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 3:18:00 PM
合抱之木 ,生於毫末,九層之台,起於累土.
大家請明白此活動目的是幫助 培聖母校的經費,望能同舟共濟,四海一心,扶助她成長,令學梓有餘蔭,請勿自亂陣腳,宜吸取經驗,繼續此股幹勁,做得更好,培聖仔女都有股強烈的 培聖情,請棄置私念齊建培聖台,樹立培聖蔭.四海校友及師長定當支持,請三思而行,努力以赴.
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留言人: 子莊
主題: re:停下來細心想(1)
留言日期: 12/29/2005 3:08:00 PM
(註：打錯字：「鳴」誤作「嗚」，特此更正。重新發表。)
達兄！
我的年紀應該比你小，不是你的甚麼師兄，太沈重了。我也不是口口聲聲說甚麼仁義道德的人，仁義道德也不是教書佬的專利。不平則鳴而已。
其實對事件不大了解，偶而瀏覽網頁，竟有如此風波，覺得校方要確切交待。
在香港，「董建華」的管治不只活在政府，也深深根植於部份人的內心深處，他們 ── 沒有察覺而已。
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留言人: 子莊
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 3:05:00 PM
達兄！
我的年紀應該比你小，不是你的甚麼師兄，太沈重了。我也不是口口聲聲說甚麼仁義道德的人，仁義道德也不是教書佬的專利。不平則嗚而已。
其實對事件不大了解，偶而瀏覽網頁，竟有如此風波，覺得校方要確切交待。
在香港，「董建華」的管治不只活在政府，也深深根植於部份人的內心深處，他們 ── 沒有察覺而已。
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留言人: 大頭
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 12:30:00 PM
都冇理由一個人就唱16首歌,joey 又點,話之係你係容袓兒.你估你個人show.人地唔使唱,咁不如你去紅館開笨.真係不知所謂.浪費時間
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留言人: 蛇仔
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 12:22:00 PM
總之冇下次,大佬我在香港區搭成粒幾鐘入去.真失望.都唔知點可以攪成咁差.亂到九彩....總之冇下次
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留言人: 佘耀庭
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 11:21:00 AM
Dear All,
It was my pleasure of attending the Christmas concert, although I contributed nothing extraordinary to it.
A 'blame-free' attitude is useful for all of us to work and live anytime and anywhere. I highly appreciate the effort that has been made by our respectful teachers, old boys, and students.
Although the concert was a bit disorganised due to time constraint, what I treasured most was that all of YOU did contribute a lot to the best interest of the school. All of you are really MARVELLOUS! It is not necessary to put the blame for the disorganisation on anyone again, please!
Ng Wah Chung, Joey, and other old boys,thank you very much for your unfailing support to the school!
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留言人: BIg Nose - 1977
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 10:25:00 AM
To 一個沒有被尊重的校友,
Let me tell you something, I happen to work in the Entertainment business and I have seen your stories all the time ... not-so-famous artists and not-so-important people just get pushed around all the time ... eat it or leave it ... that's the reality ...
I saw top artists [before they becaome top artists] being treated worse than what you have been treated on the night ... it was horrible...
Years ago, I was at a dinner party when I met an artist (HL); he was not that famous at the time, no one took any notice of him...I was the only person who went up and spoke with him and took a picture (he looked real sad at the time)...now, he is much more famous and people just can't get near him ... a few weeks ago, at another dinner party where I met him, a picture was taken ... the same person looked so different before and after getting famous...
We live in a real world, grunting usually gets you nowhere ... keep your head down and get to the top, then you would have more liberty to do or say whatever you want ...
Wake up!!!
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留言人: Big Nose - 1977
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 10:16:00 AM
To 一個沒有被尊重的校友
Why don't you put words into real action, bring on an event and show us all how it should be done !?
If it works out, I am sure people would pay you more respect ....
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留言人: Big Nose - 1977
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/29/2005 10:03:00 AM
To 一個沒有被尊重的校友
You still don't get it...there is always two sides to a coin and no matter what; there is always people complaining...
You were not in charge of the event of the night; someone else was and in any event; even if it was messed up, let it go ... rightly or wrongly, pay some respect to the host and organizers (who must have worked hard to put the show together)...
Go with the flow; if you are dead serious about your performance; organize an event yourself and take charge ... divert your energy to contribute to making a more successful event is the answer and stop crying over soured milk!!!!
If you insist on harping about here ... I don't think any one can help you any more ... and I rest my case...!
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留言人: 大頭
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 8:58:00 AM
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留言人: 一個冇受尊重的校友
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 8:53:00 AM
To 吳偉聰
16首歌背後是兩個以來every day 2 hours在家中的練習,代表我認為對的事便全力以赴.記得我第一次攪師生同獻藝音樂會,我也想過放棄,但是因為責任感和 A SENCE OF BELONGING ,結果我堅持下去.
“大家出來做義工，其真正意義是為什麼？誰是受薪的？如當義工，都需要問責？以後，唯人自願出來舉辦活動？”
我認為不論是不是義工,也應為自己所做的負責,這與身份無關.
假如做義工不須為自己所做的負責.不要這個義工也罷.
e.g old school 校友因一時得意忘形在台上不斷”吹水”結果嚴重超時at least 40mins leading to a adverse influence on 整個音樂會的運作,難道這樣可以容忍嗎?
其實我真的懷疑部份回應者有冇看畢我第一篇的留言,我大約只用了1/5的篇幅表達我隊band d songs were cut 的不滿,但是回應者大多只回應我前1/5的篇幅的內容e.g 叫我看開點等………
我其餘4/5主要是一些善意的批評,希望日後學校舉辦大型活動能做好D
本人認為音樂會最大問題是權責不清,我曾向不同單位問以下問題:
“Which one is the 主要負責人?”
Old school 校友李潤強who was the 音樂會髮起人,話係學生會負責.
但學生會副主席mimi和new school 校友會主席Peggy話係李潤強負責
而課外活動senior teacher Mr Poon話係佢自己負責.
As a result ,有事冇人理,e.g 一位學生會主席脫光上身在台唱歌, 學生會負責老師和校友會也冇上台制止,maybe 該兩 個units 以為對方負責.良久才有老師理.
其它包括冇人控制timing/time limit防止超時.,可能不同單位以為自然會有人負責.
權責不清更直接導致組織混亂,朝令夕改等問題e.g
學生會與old school student 李潤強制定的timetable/schedule最後臨時景被校方隋意更,改包括學生會speech, principal speech,抽獎, principal臨時invite all teachers 大合唱等等…….事實上出show前幾日學生會send 比我的timetable still 是原先學生會與old school student 李潤強開會制定的timetable/schedule的版本,但正式出show 當日已是另外一回事.In other words,一個音樂會的負責人不知是誰,但最終話事人卻是校方.而校方卻不似是負責人,因校方冇派老師in charge of this programme .
有個笑話也想趁機說給大家聽當初我還不知道Peggy 是new school 校友會主席我曾問她: new school 校友會在音樂會是負責怎麼事務?誰人負責?有冇辦法我可以找到主要new school 校友會成員?她不但不回答我的問題,還沒有表明她是new school 校友會主席.的身份.不知她是怕”咩獲”定有甚麼難言之隱.
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留言人: Ng Wai Chung 吳偉聰
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 4:38:00 AM
子莊兄及衆校友們：
請聽本人講幾句話吧！由本人笫一次回應至現在，本人對該冇受尊重的校友（自稱）的遭遇，立場一值表示同情，及加上安慰。他所言的例子，大多數是事實，大會（學校，學生會，校友會）上演了一幕「三個和尚無水飲」的劇目及唱了「十個救火的少年」歌曲。到最后，只有李潤强，董偉業及少數的校友們（包括冇受尊重的校友），自願出來籌備這音樂晚會，大家又出錢又出力，同樣都是義工，都是為母校而奉獻。大家好不容易才幹到，曲終人散的一刻。直至這兩天，竟然有互相怨恨之言。本人已盡全力化解，希望大事化小，小事化無。從正確的方向，檢討會是必須的，一定要有改善措施，如果，我是校方，更必需尉勞各位工作人員。所謂做戲要做全套，好好睇睇來收場。致於是否需要道歉及問責，跟本可免側免，大家出來做義工，其真正意義是為什麼？誰是受薪的？如當義工，都需要問責？以後，唯人自願出來舉辦活動？今次晚會，陳志明校友，除了捐出二十萬外，還教懂我們全部師弟妹一句，《施比受更有褔》，何需要為了出場，能唱幾多首歌，而不開心呢！請全人類好好反思吧！如果，大家看完我這篇文章，還有異議的話，我只能夠講李鵬飛當年的一句，《你和我的級數不同》及較早前大陸高官的一句，《話不投機半句多》。我是一個大情大性的人，多多得罪了。
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留言人: Tat
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 3:57:00 AM
子莊師兄:
如果我冇估錯的話，你應該是一位教書先生，而且是一位頗有理想的教書先生。你口口聲聲說公平，公義，大仁大義，什至連爭取直選都拿出來，我真冇你辦法。
雖然我沒有到該次晚會，但從一個沒有被尊重的校友的申訴，這只是一個溝通與體諒的問題，完全與公平，公義無關。他的表演時間被刪減，我相信其他嘉賓的表演時間也相應被刪減。正如毛主席說:"天要下雨，娘要嫁人"。真係冇得好怨。
對於晚會安排混�茠澈𤧟d、我相信是真的，所以我不會再參加校友會的活動。但我們也要體諒校友會的幹事們只是義工，他們不是專業PR公司，而且晚會又是替毋校籌款，唉!都是一句---算吧!
Liverpool vs Everton 開波了，下次再談。
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留言人: 子莊
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/29/2005 1:32:00 AM
追求公平沒有甚麼不妥，亦與年齡無關，即使世界如何不公平，我們還是想公義存在世上的，要想這些留在世上，我們就是付出代價，付出心血，若人人假道學，一句「人生在世不稱意」，胡混了過去，世間只會更多不公平，不合理！這不是解決辦法，面對不公，我們要出聲：反對政改方案，支持要有普選時間表！
唱十六首歌？唔出奇噃！Joey Tang當年搞民歌晚會，幾乎所有的歌由他彈奏、伴奏、協奏，一腳獨踢，當時真係沒有所謂，他彈得、唱得，旨在玩耍。現在想看他的表現，看容祖兒的最新VCD，他有份伴奏。不過，我就沒有甚麼興趣了，唱流行曲，越聽越厭了。
晚會有沒有樂隊演奏爵士樂？
如果不受校友會尊重的事件是真的，那麼混亂，校友會實在責無旁貸，要向校友、公眾人士問責，開會檢討，要極力改善，否則沒有公信力了。
只是提出意見，言語間得罪各位，請勿見怪！
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留言人: 一個沒有被尊重的校友
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/29/2005 1:11:00 AM
TO BIG NOSE
"What makes you think you have to right to sing 16 songs at a concert? "
這是與學生會和OLD SCHOOL STUDENT Adrian開會的決定,會中each band 各自跟據自己打算玩多少首歌而獲分配一段出場時間.在計算各隊所佔的時間,包括Joey Tang,old school 校友和播 film所佔的時間,距離李潤強計劃完場的時間12:30p:m還剩1.5 hours at the concert ,我隊band 便玩餘下的這個1.5 hours
"If you were allowed to sing 16 songs, how about the other performers who didn't get to sing 16 songs? "
其實上述我已explain了 ,one more point I want to make that其中一隊由培聖人和外校組成的band 以及一隊由培聖人組成的band 也因唔夠時間practise,兩隊分別同樣由原本打算出8首歌改為最後出3首歌
"What makes you think that the audiences would enjoy listening to all your 16 numbers?"
首先我隊band D 歌一般節奏較勁和相對較新,我相信這能迎合大部分人<當晚主要的觀眾其實主要是NEW SCHOOL 較年輕的學生和校友>,當然也會出一些金曲迎合其他校友.
另外,在過去兩年我曾為學校舉辦了兩次帥生同獻藝音樂會,我隊band 便是主要表演者,反應也十分良好.
而且我隊band 還有帥生合唱< 預先PLAN 好,即有老師答應玩>,及即興invite 現場audience 一同唱.務求達到interative
還有,我隊band 不單較年輕,與大部audience 冇generation gap 外,一些players 還still 被同學記得和歡迎eg 李強
最後便是<信心>
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留言人: 79-82學生
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 8:47:00 PM
從來世事渺茫茫, 未知明日在那方, 應要隨緣來過日, 盡己本份度時光, 保守行為勿放蕩, 每逢做事要思量, 謹慎做人無苦惱, 凡事靜裏有平安, 吃些虧處原無害, 退讓三分也不妨, 多為別人好處想, 留得人家深印象, 是非不必常計較, 彼此無須論短長, 害人之心不可有, 報應實在要提防, 作孽多端入地獄, 光明正大見天堂, 神明本是正直做, 不許人間罪惡猖, 欲能跳出大羅網, 勿染塵污是妙方, 麝因香重身先死, 蠶為絲多命早亡, 人心不足蛇吞象, 結局方知夢一場, 老病生死誰替得, 酸甜苦辣自身當, 世事由來多變幻, 幻軀怎可免尋常, 春日才看楊柳綠, 秋天又見菊花黃, 榮華終是三更夢, 富貴如同九月霜, 黃金不是千年業, 無須過份去緊張, 是得是失無所謂, 心靜便會見心涼, 轉眼之間人歸去, 到時遠遠又家鄉
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留言人: Tat
主題: re:停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/28/2005 7:20:00 PM
這個沒有被尊重的校友:
從你的字裡行間看來，你應該仍是很年輕的，因為你仍然追求公平。區區16首歌，你就呼天搶地。師弟，你如何面對將來的不公平。所謂"人生在世不稱意，明朝散髮弄扁舟。" 算吧!
況且，校友會又好像從來沒有答應讓你唱畢16首歌，你就馬上出言不遜，出口傷人。好像有天大的寃情，非"十步殺一人"不可！原來只是冇得表演，講出來都笑死人。
其實，一如我之前的留言，我對校友會的主辦項目都有意見。我見過2位舊生在母校聚餐中大打出手，40週年晚會又嘈喧巴閉，我都好失望，故只有選擇在此留言，不再參加以後的聚會。
最後，你發現有這麽多師兄提點你，你就應讓該以培聖為榮啦。
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留言人: 黎克
主題: 停下來細心想
留言日期: 12/28/2005 5:58:00 PM
這位被冷待的校友：
事情已經過去，看到你仍在糾纏於別人的錯—別人的「錯」是否等於你的「對」，上帝從不埋怨人們的愚昧，人們卻埋怨上帝的不公，我想主辦單位跟你沒有仇絕對不會刻意冷落你吧！
快樂不是因為擁有的多而是計較的少。
釋懷吧！
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留言人: Big Nose - 1977
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 5:03:00 PM
To 一個沒有被尊重的校友
What makes you think you have to right to sing 16 songs at a concert? What makes you think that the audiences would enjoy listening to all your 16 numbers? If you were allowed to sing 16 songs, how about the other performers who didn't get to sing 16 songs?
尊重 or 不受尊重 - if you have to asked to be 尊重; I believe there is already something wrong somewhere ... often 尊重 needs to be earned!!
Do you 尊重 the host and the organizers? Like I said before, you are just an invited guest, if you organized a party and put your heart and soul into it, regardless how good or bad the party turned out to be, the last thing you want is for someone to come and bitch about it.
You may not like what I am saying here, but I say it all the same, I personally do not really like your approach - even if your anger and agressiveness are justified, your tactics are not working for you.
Turn the table around and imagine you are those who are at the receiving end. Have you ever thought about how these people might feel and perhaps not sure how to respond to your message?
If the objectives are to make things better; work harder and change your tactics if neccessary. Don't forget you are nobody and it would be easier for others to just ignore you. Make it work if you still care and stop shuffling your righteousness down people's throat, some people might just find it hard to swallow.
Learn from the experience and make a better tomorrow. Good luck...!
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留言人: 一個沒有被尊重的校友
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 4:14:00 PM
首先我會諒解你這一番留言的無知
"我"是指我隊Band,不是我一個人.
其次我也希望.Joey Tang played 16 songs or more.
However, it is impossible Joey Tang to play 16 songs or above basecause he was so busy that he need to leave early.
For this reason , if I were Joey Tang ,I also could not play 16 songs
另外,我覺得my band 是最有資格玩16 songs.因為除了old school校友外,我隊band是唯一一隊全由培聖人組成的表演者.而且這是得到學生會和主要負責人Adrian Lee的批准.其實在過去兩年由我launched的 師生同獻藝音樂會,我隊band 也是玩at least 13songs
其中兩隊由培聖人和外校組成的band也因唔夠時間practise,兩隊分別同樣由原本打算出8首歌改為最後出3首歌這也比全由培聖人組成的表演者的一首多.因此我也想問which team 比我隊band 更有資格play so many songs?
另外,,除了old school 校友 外,基本上所有players ,也是由我一個人直接或間接找到的.結果我隊只出到一首歌,而且還是我beg來的.這樣合理嗎?
Actually, I have involved in this concert quite deeply including attending the meeting and giving a lot of ideas,for exsample set up a half sharp of a stage and let the players and the audiences have interaction. I am really impressed the setting of the stage at that night and I awared that they did a very good work and used a lot of effeort.
此外,old school 校友口口聲聲話想看新校校友表演eg. Adrian Lee.
結果他們卻嚴重超時
另一方面,我認為道歉與改善同樣重要,道歉是對人的基本尊重,假如你覺得道歉是可有可無的話,我懷疑你已習慣不受尊重.
另外,如果你有留心看的話,在我第一篇留言中,我也指出不少需要改善的地方,而不是單單表達我的不滿.
Lastly, I have sent a e mail to Adrian Lee a campaigner , Peggy a chairman of Alumni Association, and Mr Poon a senior extra activitive teaacher to review this programme.
Later, I also will send a letter to the principal and maybe have a meeting with principal,Peggy,Mr Poon,and Adrian Lee.
I believe that all my these effort will be positive and contructive enough
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留言人: Ng Wai Chung 吳偉聰
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 3:51:00 PM
致 : 一個冇受尊重的校友（自稱）,
終於，看見你心情已平復下來，可喜!免得師兄們為你擔心。你所說的例子，多數是發生在晚會之前（籌備中）及舞台之後面。從觀眾角度，是不知道內裡的問題，在台下，他（她）們完全享受了一個歡樂的晚會。總體來說，音樂會是精彩和合格的。你不要灰心及棄餒，下次音樂會，我一定給你，演出的機會，請努力！經一事，長一智。這就是成長的路。
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留言人: Tat
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 3:04:00 PM
I'm fortunate enough to become part of Pui Shing. It’s good to see many familiar faces in the photo album that can't help bringing back numerous wonderful memories – of walks along the Oxford Road, of what I myself were like when I first came here. I recall in particular that Pui Shing exposed me to many interesting subjects in Chinese (陳樂生), Chinese History (岑鍊英), World History (袁永強), Economics (劉德雄), Soccer (鍾嘉祥) & etc.
However, the above situation is only a spiritual Pui Shing, just like Plato’s ideal world. Coming back to material world, I attended Alumni activity twice but both experiences were unpleasant. In Old Boy Dinner 2001 or 2002, I saw 2 old boys got drunk & fought for some meaningless quarrels. I also found 2003 Pui Shing 40th Anniversary Alumni Variety Show was very chaotic & noisy, which was a distasteful show. From then, I've never participated in any Alumni Association's activity.
That's why I choose to write down my sentiment in this website only. In here, I can express my words as well as 詩詞歌賦 to Miss Chan, 炮Sir, Ah Chung, 有心人, Sam Cheng, Big Nose & 一個冇受尊重的校友 without restraint. Now, I am so happy to communicate with any old boy through this platform.
After all, I dedicate the following 詞 to 一個冇受尊重的校友:
一劍西來，千巖拱列，魔影縱橫；問明鏡非台，菩提非樹，境由心起，可得分明？是魔非魔？非魔是魔？要待江湖後世評！
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留言人: Big Nose - 1977
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 11:03:00 AM
To 一個沒有被尊重的校友,
I cannot believe you were allocated a slot to perform 16 songs on the night !!!
You were naive if you were to believe you would get to perform 16 songs on the night...unless you were Joey Tang...
Learn from this and like I said before, do something positive and constructive ... you have made your point here and if you still care, try doing something more than keep bitching on ...
I am not sure why you are so wound up about an apology...it would be a nice gesture but imporvement would be more important than an apology....
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留言人: 一個沒有被尊重的校友
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 7:53:00 AM
THANKS FOR EVERY RESPONE
其實我只是無名小卒,說出也冇人識
,我的名不說也罷,假如以善款多少論英雄,音樂會是完美的.
我們也不須再討論.
但以主辦單位今次表現而論,實在令人失望.
This essay was not only express my disappointment
but also I hope the host unit will have some improvement in the future and not let this history repeat again
可能"垃圾"一詞有點過份,但就算不是"垃圾",也可以說很"爛",例如組織混亂,決策朝令夕改,權責不清,策略失當,內部溝通不足等等........
而且我不是針對表現者,而是針對行政失當.
假如這是學校最後一個音樂會OR 大型活動,現在也不須再作討論.
我只是以事論事,把事實說出.我不覺得有何不妥.
Actually, the host still do not give me a explanation although our part of performance was shortened from 16 songs to 1 song all the sudden.
這算尊重嗎?有事便找你幫手,完事跟你說多謝也慳返.
這算是培聖人的特質嗎?
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留言人: Ng wai chung 吳偉聰
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/28/2005 4:30:00 AM
致 : 一個冇受尊重的校友（自稱）,
首先，本人能表演多少首歌，跟本沒有所謂。你在文章中，說出很多事實，正是活動需改善的地方。請你不要再介懷，不開心的事。好好享受元旦假期！不要再鑽牛角尖了，音樂的本質，是帶給人們歡樂，並非生氣。好好珍惜，你的音樂天份。
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留言人: Big Nose - 1977
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/27/2005 10:48:00 PM
To 一個冇受尊重的校友:
I read your message with great interest ... and somewhat a little disturbed ...
Firstly, I fail to understand why you didn't post a name that identified yourself - I guess you may see yourself as nobody and hence didn't want to disclose your identity. This is no problem but I am just curious.
I believe you are a Pui Shing old boy yet you might be of younger generations. It is obvious that you simply do not understand the real world that we live in and the hierarchy / class system that existed in every group, community and society.
Instead of giving you a lecture, I suggest the following points for your consideration and hopefully, you would find them useful to your life as you move forward:
* Ask not what others would do for you but what you would do for others - beggars hardly get respect but the rich and famous often do....
* become more successful (and if possible, rich and famous) if you really want to get more noticed and be taken more seriously
* sometimes, money can help - if you have money and are prepared to spend it, spend it appropriately (legally though) to get you to where you want to be
* Relax a little - life is filled with set-backs and disappointment; you might be 100% right but you do not win every time. the party was supposed to be a fun event and you should do your part to leave it at that
* Know y our position - if you are invited to a party, play guest appropriately - if you are not a VIP guest, do expect star-treatments...
Critizing / bitching about the party is bad manners and might do nothing but get your name ticked off future invitaions...
* Play the game follow the "rules" (or protocol), obviously, you have every right to reject invites or not to buy the ticket (being a non-VIP guest, this is as much right as you would get really)
* If you are serious about doing something (construstively), take positive steps to get more involved at the Pui Shing Alumni Association (or any circles you are involved in), write and ask to hele and if possible, become a member of the executive committee (or whoever position that allows you to help effectively) - put forward proposals and plans to help making the Association a better entity.
I am sorry if my response is not the kind of support you are looking for, but I truly believe that some of the above suggestions would help you to address and provide a solution to issues with better success.
Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks for reading this far....
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留言人: Tat
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/27/2005 10:30:00 PM
一向年光有限身，等閒離別易銷魂，酒筵歌席莫辭頻。滿目山河空念遠，落花風雨更傷春，不如憐取眼前人。
一個冇受尊重的校友:算吧! “Take it easy on yourself.”"Be kind to yourself.”
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留言人: Ng Wai Chung 吳偉聰
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/27/2005 5:39:00 PM
致 : 一個冇受尊重的校友（自稱）,
Let us sing this song (十個救火的少年).
Cheer up !
在某午夜火警鐘聲響遍
城裏志願灌救部隊發現 集合在橋邊
十個決定去救火的少年
其中一位想起他少鍛鍊
實在是危險 報了名便算
另有別個勇敢的成員
為了要共愛侶一起更甜
靜悄靜悄 便決定轉身竄
又有為了母親的勸勉
在這社會最怕走得太前
罷了罷了 便歸家往後轉
十個決定去救火的少年
來到這段落祇得七勇士 集合在橋邊
為了決定去救火的主見
其中三位竟終於反了臉
謾罵著離開 這生不願見
尚有共四個穩健成員
又有個願說卻不肯向前
在理論裡 沒法滅火跟煙
被撇下了這三位成員
沒法去令這猛火不再燃
瞬息之間 葬身於這巨變
在這夜這猛火像燎原
大眾議論到這三位少年
就似在怨 用處沒有一點
在這夜這猛火像燎原
大眾議論到這三位少年
亂說亂說 愈說祇有愈遠
十減一得九 九減一得八
八減一得七 七減一得六
六減一得五 五減一得四
四減一得三 三減一得二
二減一得一
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留言人: Ng wai chung 吳偉聰
主題: re:垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/27/2005 6:32:00 AM
致 : 一個冇受尊重的校友（自稱）,
現在是清辰六時半，我和兄弟們剛看完該晚的VCD，及作了簡單的檢討，你所指出的意見，大部份本人是同意的，不足之處還有很多。例如：燈光，茶點等，當然，最差就是控掣時間。我和你一樣，本人已準備了幾首流行曲，但都因時間上的不配合，因而取消，你已唱了一首歌，我都是唱了二首歌，故此，我非常明白你的心情，曾付出時間及心機練歌，最后，只能表演少許，心裡一定很不輸服。但是，我並沒有跟你一樣，寫一篇文章出來，充滿怒氣，定斷音樂會就是垃圾。如果，你曾用心去練歌，這不會白費的，留待下次演出之用，只會更加熟練。再說，該晚會的主要目的，就是籌款。我們已為母校籌了近21萬多元。難道，這成績是垃圾嗎？本人，再舉一個例子，如果，你在台上表演完畢後，台下的人不滿意你的水準，還說你是一個垃圾歌手，你有何感想呢？你全篇文章中，有九成以上的例子都是事實，唯獨本人不接受的，就是《垃圾》兩字。
老實講，我和兄弟們都覺得，校方應該日後再安排機會，好讓未演出的人仕，及未播的(海外校友)VCD，再現出來。假如這是真的，你還會出來表演嗎？
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留言人: 一個冇受尊重的校友
主題: 垃圾音樂會24/12/2005
留言日期: 12/27/2005 4:40:00 AM
I , a member of the charitable concert performer and old student for raising fund for school, am writting to express my point of view about the 24/12 disappointing concert as the following.
First of all , the most unsatisfactory thing was that I almost had no chance to perform although I and my band had made our great effort , preparing 16 songs . This was just caused by the schooling , Student Union ,and Old Student Union s admistration mistakes. One of the performer who were old student and came from " old school ",extremely exceeded the time limit at least 40 minutes ,talking some old days jokes but the host unit did not take any action to inform theese performers that they should finish their part on time . As a result,my group who was the last one , was deprived the performance opportunity.
Moreover, the schooling and the Student Union changed the schedule without any notices such as adding lucky draw. The point was that no one informed us to mininize our songs .This is because lucky draw and other changing such as principal speech and so on that would consumed a lot of time.Consequently our effort become fruitless.
What s more ,I also felt severely disrespected by the host organisation.I do think it is very absurd that thte concert almost was cut out out in the middle of the way at about 11:00p.m by the principal inviting all the teachers to the stage and singing together without planning before.In other words, the host totally did not care my team.I was heard this news from Adrian Lee ,the campaigner.Finally ,I only had 1 minute to play one song with my family member ; still,we were urged to be quick. It seems to warn us dont waste their time.
Changing schedule randomly was also easy to be found;including uninformed opening ceremony and the "principal s good idea". For more example, 60 seconds count down was forced to become 3 seconds count down and the Student Union could not confirm whether some players attended to the concert untile a few days ago.
Futhermore, the organisation was very confusing.The gap of the performance was not smooth leading to time consuming;for the Student Union did not set up a special zone for the performers to stay with. As a result ,the Student Union could not easy contact the players.Ironically,I had ever suggested to suggest to set up a special zone for the players with their relatives. However, my suggestion was dismissed.
In addition,sometimes the Student Union were not on duty since many Student Union members went to the back stage to get Mr Joey Tang s autography and took photo with him.They also played around at back of the hall occasionally,witnessed by me as well as the campaigner Adrian Lee.Still worse, the chairperson of Student Union put off his clothes,dancing on the stage for a few minutes.Because of these,I wonder where the teachers were. As my knowledge ,at least one teacher was in charge of the Student Union.
The another problem was which one should take the responsibility and had authority in charge of the show that was not clear.For instance , the "Old Old Student Society "came up with a idea to hold this programme but they did not give enough support to the Student Union like the "Old Old Student Society "did not helped the Student Union supervise the progress of performers as well as schedule of the programme.On one hand , the Student Union devised the schedule .On the other hand , their affairs could be randomly interfered by schooling. I have ever asked the authorities which unit was respomsible for this programme.The Student Union and the Old Student Society replayed that was Adrian Lee,a member of 'Old Old Student Society".However Adrain Lee said that the Student Union in charge the programme .Mr Poon ,a extra activity club s senior teacher, said he was in charge of the show.Based on this problem, sometimes, nobody took care something because they did not know what they should take responsibility such as rehearsal.
Besides, I am convinced that the authorities lacked enough communication among Student Union, "Old Student Society"and "Old Old Student Society".They often did not know what they were doing mutually especially promotion.
Lastly, I think the schedule was very monotonous. As a audience never expected to listen to monbologue from School Union Chairman , principal and Old Student chairman at the beginning of the show. I also think video film may be too long as the audience expected to listen to live music more than video film. There were no doubt that there would be a adverse effect on the atmosphere.
Worse still, the "Old Old Student Society"also overestimated the number of old school s old students.Indeed ,the majority audience came from new school and most of them were teenagers.However ,from the show started at 8:00p:m to about 11:10pm the players who still played 60s-80s old songs almost without using drum to play what the audience liked.Obviously, it is so boring that over half of the audience leave the concert in the middle of the way.
All in all , the authorities had not enough ability to organise this kind of programme.Maybe,the authorities should not carry out such long hours,about 5 hours. Actually, since my band performance was cut suddenly;unit now nobody tells me what happened and gives me apogology.In my opinion ,the authorities just concern about how much they could raise not me , a old student feeeling.I cannot imagine that' MY LOVE' gave me a such unforgetable Christmas present to me though I dedicated myself to raising fund for my school.
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