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Big Nose: here you go again, what do you mean ¤j¤O¤ä«ù? you already sounded like you are taking pity on the ¶Ë´Ý¤H¤h.
Okay, in general, I agree there are plenty of "kind people" in this world. This group of kind people would get smaller if asked to contribute towards ¶Ë´Ý¤H¤h³]³Æ. The group would get even smaller if asked to contribute DIRECTLY towards ¶Ë´Ý¤H¤h³]³Æ. It is easier to say kinder words than put hands into pocket. As always, there are alwasy exceptions but we are talking about "most people" here.
On the flip side, there are [minority] ¶Ë´Ý¤H¤h who "cheated" and played on people's kindness.

Everything is relative; all in all, ¶Ë´Ý¤H¤h are like other ®z¶ÕªÀ¸s; they will almost always get teh short end of the stick; till Kingdom come. Just my opinion.

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Again, in theory, most things seem good. But in practice; it is always difficult to implement such a good system. It is not easy to have a clear-cut definition on most people and Greatest happiness; for example.

We live in a hierarchy with societies within societies. At what level do we decide on "greatest people"? And even most people agree on something; it doesn't mean most people would make that something work. For example; I am sure most people would agree on the global warming issue; if not taken care of properly, planet earth may well be doomed. But what are most people doing to save the world?

Everyone see things differently but most would think of their own long term and short term benefit (personal gain) first.

If we can not resolve this "I am alright, Jack" mentality, we will have plenty of hot air but not much else.

If I am allowed to have a dream; I believe in dictatorship. History tells us that dictators can do lots more, quickly and effectively too - not time for talks, just do it.

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If I come here eevry day; posting lots of comment with swearing, naked pictures or worse, I should still be allowed? Surely there must be a line somewhere.


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